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Hi, folks.

Something that has been asked of me for quite a while is to move Xiphos
development off SourceForge to GitHub. This move is now under way. For
readers of the users' mailing list, this has minimal impact:

1. The current SF-based mailing lists will be shut down and all its
members will be mass-subscribed to xip...@cr... when Troy
gets around to creating the lists.

2. New distribution of Xiphos releases will occur somewhere under
https://github.com/crosswire/xiphos though I have yet to figure out the
release procedure.

I'll send an intro note when the new mailing list has come to life and
this one is being shut down.

--karl

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:28:34AM -0500, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>    On 01/17/2016 09:48 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> 
> Can anyone point me to a (legal) RSV module for Sword?
> 
>    Sorry, no.
>    I was the contact person who attempted to get permission to produce
>    Sword modules for RSV+NRSV several years ago. The response from
>    [1]<NRS...@ao...> to their detailed questionnaire for
>    requesting access was specific, that they do not authorize open source
>    projects. Further attempt to discuss this odd choice was ignored.
>    "...at this time, we do not authorize any open source uses of the
>    RSV/NRSV."

Thanksk Karl. that's what I was afraid of.

Fred
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:NRS...@ao...

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               But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: 
                         While we were still sinners, 
                              Christ died for us.
------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------

Yes Fred and others, I have the Xiphos Bible program and would likewise like a copy of the older RSV (legal) Bible.  My copy from college many years ago is beat up :).  

Thank you, Bill Davis

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> On Jan 17, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Karl Kleinpaste <ka...@kl...> wrote:
> 
>> On 01/17/2016 09:48 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> Can anyone point me to a (legal) RSV module for Sword?
> Sorry, no.
> 
> I was the contact person who attempted to get permission to produce Sword modules for RSV+NRSV several years ago. The response from <NRS...@ao...> to their detailed questionnaire for requesting access was specific, that they do not authorize open source projects. Further attempt to discuss this odd choice was ignored.
> 
> "...at this time, we do not authorize any open source uses of the RSV/NRSV."
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On 01/17/2016 09:48 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a (legal) RSV module for Sword?
Sorry, no.

I was the contact person who attempted to get permission to produce
Sword modules for RSV+NRSV several years ago. The response from
<NRS...@ao...> to their detailed questionnaire for requesting
access was specific, that they do not authorize open source projects.
Further attempt to discuss this odd choice was ignored.

"...at this time, we do not authorize any open source uses of the
RSV/NRSV."

Hi all!

I was searching for a RSV module t'other day and was somewhat surprised
that I couldn't find one in Sword, Sword-beta, Kleinpaste, or ebible
repos. Can anyone point me to a (legal) RSV module for Sword?

thanks!

-- 
---- Fred Smith -- fr...@fc... -----------------------------
                    The Lord detests the way of the wicked 
                  but he loves those who pursue righteousness.
----------------------------- Proverbs 15:9 (niv) -----------------------------

Thanks, Karl.

To: gno...@li...
From: ka...@kl...
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:33:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [GnomeSword-users] Personal Commentary and Deuterocanonical


  
    
  
  
    On 01/05/2016 04:28 AM, Nuno Lima
      wrote:

    
    Any news about the possibility to edit personal
      commentaries related to deterocanonicals?
    Oops, sorry, it slipped my mind.

      

      Response on sword-devel indicated that the underlying problem is
      that the existing Personal module was generated years ago when KJV
      was the only supported versification. Basically, it needs to be
      regenerated using KJVA v11n. Apparently I could add code to Xiphos
      to re-generate it internally, but frankly that seems like a whole
      lot of work that hasn't got nearly enough useful generality to
      justify it. I will see what it will take to create an updated
      Personal -- call it PersonalKJVA or somesuch. Give me a week or
      so.

    
  


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On 01/05/2016 04:28 AM, Nuno Lima wrote:
> Any news about the possibility to edit personal commentaries related
> to deterocanonicals?
Oops, sorry, it slipped my mind.

Response on sword-devel indicated that the underlying problem is that
the existing Personal module was generated years ago when KJV was the
only supported versification. Basically, it needs to be regenerated
using KJVA v11n. Apparently I could add code to Xiphos to re-generate it
internally, but frankly that seems like a whole lot of work that hasn't
got nearly enough useful generality to justify it. I will see what it
will take to create an updated Personal -- call it PersonalKJVA or
somesuch. Give me a week or so.

Hello. Any news about the possibility to edit personal commentaries related to deterocanonicals?
Thanks.

To: gno...@li...
From: ka...@kl...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:40:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [GnomeSword-users] Personal Commentary and Deuterocanonical


  
    
  
  
    On 11/20/2015
        12:04 PM, Nuno Lima wrote:

    
    I tried manually editing, as you suggested, but it is
      the same.

      Anything else that I can do?
    I have no immediate suggestions, but I sent a
      short note to sword-devel to see if anyone there might have
      something to suggest.

  


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Thanks, Karl.

To: gno...@li...
From: ka...@kl...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:40:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [GnomeSword-users] Personal Commentary and Deuterocanonical


  
    
  
  
    On 11/20/2015
        12:04 PM, Nuno Lima wrote:

    
    I tried manually editing, as you suggested, but it is
      the same.

      Anything else that I can do?
    I have no immediate suggestions, but I sent a
      short note to sword-devel to see if anyone there might have
      something to suggest.

  


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On 11/20/2015 12:04 PM, Nuno Lima wrote:
> I tried manually editing, as you suggested, but it is the same.
> Anything else that I can do?
I have no immediate suggestions, but I sent a short note to sword-devel
to see if anyone there might have something to suggest.

Thanks, Karl. I'm sorry that I didn't read your replay before.
I tried manually editing, as you suggested, but it is the same.

Anything else that I can do?
Thanks.
Nuno

To: gno...@li...
From: ka...@kl...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:01:15 -0500
Subject: Re: [GnomeSword-users] Personal Commentary and Deuterocanonical


  
    
  
  
    On 11/16/2015 12:48 PM, Nuno Lima
      wrote:

    
    I tried to edit the personal commentary with reference
      to a Deuterocanonical book but the commentary is saved as referred
      to Rev 1:1.
    That's an interesting situation.  I suspect
      the underlying problem is that Personal has no specified
      versification, so defaults to KJV.

      

      You might experiment with manually editing "Versification=KJVA"
      into personal.conf and try again.

    
  


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On 11/16/2015 12:48 PM, Nuno Lima wrote:
> I tried to edit the personal commentary with reference to a
> Deuterocanonical book but the commentary is saved as referred to Rev 1:1.
That's an interesting situation.  I suspect the underlying problem is
that Personal has no specified versification, so defaults to KJV.

You might experiment with manually editing "Versification=KJVA" into
personal.conf and try again.

I'm new to Xiphos. I searched for a solution but did not found it, so I'm asking here.
I tried to edit the personal commentary with reference to a Deuterocanonical book but the commentary is saved as referred to Rev 1:1.

Is there anything that I can do?

Thanks.
 		 	   		  

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    <font size="+1"><font face="Liberation Mono">Karl, I renamed the
        originally installed .sword and .xiphos as .swordOLD and
        .xiphosOLD. Then, I created new .sword and .xiphos folders in
        /home/john.<br>
        <br>
        I then ran the symlink commands again and the new .sword and
        .xiphos folders were populated as shown on the attachments.
        Hopefully this info will help shed light on what I did wrong.<br>
        <br>
        Thanks, John<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/01/2015 05:41 PM, Karl Kleinpaste
      wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/01/2015 06:35 PM, John Miller
        wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote cite="mid:55E...@ya..." type="cite"><font
          face="Liberation Mono">Then, I used your linking instructions
          as follows:<br>
        </font>
        <ul>
          <li><font face="Liberation Mono">ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Sword
              ~/.sword</font></li>
          <li><font face="Liberation Mono">ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Xiphos
              ~/.xiphos</font></li>
        </ul>
        <font face="Liberation Mono">The links appeared to process
          properly.<br>
          <br>
          However, when I start Xiphos, I get the initial dialog telling
          me there is no content and I need to install some modules.</font></blockquote>
      <font face="FreeSerif">Does ~/jungledisk/Sword contain a single
        directory named .sword?  It needs to contain mods.d and modules,
        and if you didn't pick your source and destination correctly,
        what you have is<br>
        <br>
        ~/jungledisk/Sword<br>
        containing<br>
        .sword<br>
        containing<br>
        mods.d and modules<br>
        <br>
        If so...<br>
        $ cd ~/jungledisk/Sword<br>
        $ mv mods.d modules ..<br>
        $ rmdir .sword<br>
        <br>
        Similar thoughts apply to .xiphos and ~/jungledisk/Xiphos.<br>
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Karl, the ~/jungledisk/Sword folder does not contain a /.sword folder. 
~/jungledisk/Xiphos doesn't contain a ./xiphos folder. I opened /.sword 
and copied the sub-folders to ~/jungledisk/Sword and the comparable for 
/.xiphos.

John

On 09/01/2015 05:41 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> On 09/01/2015 06:35 PM, John Miller wrote:
>> Then, I used your linking instructions as follows:
>>
>>   * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Sword ~/.sword
>>   * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Xiphos ~/.xiphos
>>
>> The links appeared to process properly.
>>
>> However, when I start Xiphos, I get the initial dialog telling me 
>> there is no content and I need to install some modules.
> Does ~/jungledisk/Sword contain a single directory named .sword?  It 
> needs to contain mods.d and modules, and if you didn't pick your 
> source and destination correctly, what you have is
>
> ~/jungledisk/Sword
> containing
> .sword
> containing
> mods.d and modules
>
> If so...
> $ cd ~/jungledisk/Sword
> $ mv mods.d modules ..
> $ rmdir .sword
>
> Similar thoughts apply to .xiphos and ~/jungledisk/Xiphos.
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On 09/01/2015 06:35 PM, John Miller wrote:
> Then, I used your linking instructions as follows:
>
>   * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Sword ~/.sword
>   * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Xiphos ~/.xiphos
>
> The links appeared to process properly.
>
> However, when I start Xiphos, I get the initial dialog telling me
> there is no content and I need to install some modules.
Does ~/jungledisk/Sword contain a single directory named .sword?  It
needs to contain mods.d and modules, and if you didn't pick your source
and destination correctly, what you have is

~/jungledisk/Sword
containing
.sword
containing
mods.d and modules

If so...
$ cd ~/jungledisk/Sword
$ mv mods.d modules ..
$ rmdir .sword

Similar thoughts apply to .xiphos and ~/jungledisk/Xiphos.

Karl, I use jungledisk. It mounts at /home/<name>/jungledisk.

I created Sword and Xiphos directories at jungledisk. Then, copied the 
file contents for those folders from the ./sword and ./xiphos folders of 
my home directory.

Then, I used your linking instructions as follows:

  * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Sword ~/.sword
  * ln -sfv ~/jungledisk/Xiphos ~/.xiphos

The links appeared to process properly.

However, when I start Xiphos, I get the initial dialog telling me there 
is no content and I need to install some modules.

Have I given you enough to show where my error(s) lie, or do you need 
additional info?

Thanks, mojohn


On 08/30/2015 08:39 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> On 08/30/2015 09:26 AM, John Miller wrote:
>> Is it possible to relocate the .sword folder to a cloud drive
> If the drive appears as just another part of your filesystem, put it 
> anywhere you like and symlink to it.
>
> $ ln -sfv /media/cloud_drive/Sword ~/.sword
> $ ln -sfv /media/cloud_drive/Xiphos ~/.xiphos
>
> I do this routinely for ~/.sword inside VirtualBox machines, for whom 
> the host filesystem appears as (Linux) /media/sf_root or (Windows) E:, 
> so all the VMs use the same .sword.  I don't do it with .xiphos 
> because that configuration varies within the VMs.
>
> The point is merely that Xiphos needs to see ~/.xiphos and ~/.sword 
> but whether the content is right there or indirectly found somewhere 
> else doesn't matter.
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Xiphos 4.0.4

- Implemented dynamic allocation enhancement to replace survivability fix.
- Updated language abbreviations to eliminate unknowns.
- Fixed module installation messages so they are not lost.
- Fixed abbrev support, to show abbrevs in all non-essential contexts.
- Fixed maximization restoral (mostly gtk3; partial for gtk2).

Source tarball and win32/64 builds available now.  Linux repo
availability...as soon as the packagers can get around to it.

On 08/30/2015 09:26 AM, John Miller wrote:
> Is it possible to relocate the .sword folder to a cloud drive
If the drive appears as just another part of your filesystem, put it
anywhere you like and symlink to it.

$ ln -sfv /media/cloud_drive/Sword ~/.sword
$ ln -sfv /media/cloud_drive/Xiphos ~/.xiphos

I do this routinely for ~/.sword inside VirtualBox machines, for whom
the host filesystem appears as (Linux) /media/sf_root or (Windows) E:,
so all the VMs use the same .sword.  I don't do it with .xiphos because
that configuration varies within the VMs.

The point is merely that Xiphos needs to see ~/.xiphos and ~/.sword but
whether the content is right there or indirectly found somewhere else
doesn't matter.

Good morning group. I am self-employed and as such, sometimes have time 
during the day for Bible study while at work. Is it possible to relocate 
the .sword folder to a cloud drive so I can have access to my notes 
whether at home or the office? Sure would save the hassle I now have - 
pasting the file to my cloud drive after I've made changes so that I can 
download it to whichever computer doesn't have the latest and greatest.

Thanks, John M.

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    <font size="+1"><font face="Liberation Mono">Karl, I have the same
        problem when printing from my web browser so it may be something
        out of whack with HTML?<br>
        <br>
        <br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/14/2015 06:55 AM, Karl Kleinpaste
      wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/11/2015 02:59 PM, John Miller
        wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote cite="mid:55C...@ya..." type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Does anyone have a solution to this problem? Surely I'm not the only one 
who regularly prints journals, prayer lists, or study pad notes!</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="FreeSerif">Not the only one, but I fear one of the
        relatively few.<br>
        <br>
        Xiphos has always offered some amount of print support, but it's
        always been kind of minimal.  Xiphos doesn't do anything with
        the content within itself; Xiphos just pulls the text in and
        throws it over the wall to the system print support processes.
        So there isn't, for example, any editor support for ensuring
        convenient page breaks other than what you already do, manually
        inserting breaks.<br>
        <br>
        I suppose that what I now wonder is why the system print
        processes don't already provide that sort of obvious and
        convenient break.<br>
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On 08/11/2015 02:59 PM, John Miller wrote:
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem? Surely I'm not the only one 
> who regularly prints journals, prayer lists, or study pad notes!
Not the only one, but I fear one of the relatively few.

Xiphos has always offered some amount of print support, but it's always
been kind of minimal.  Xiphos doesn't do anything with the content
within itself; Xiphos just pulls the text in and throws it over the wall
to the system print support processes. So there isn't, for example, any
editor support for ensuring convenient page breaks other than what you
already do, manually inserting breaks.

I suppose that what I now wonder is why the system print processes don't
already provide that sort of obvious and convenient break.

Good afternoon. Long-time Xiphos user (v. 4) with a question about 
printing material from journal/prayer list/studypad.

If I wish to print any of my notes (regardless of where created within 
Xiphos), I frequently have to open the editor to insert line breaks so 
that text doesn't "bleed over" two pages. And, of course, this can 
rarely be done in one iteration as I insert breaks, print to PDF, look 
at PDF, and see what's now bleeding over that wasn't before.

Does anyone have a solution to this problem? Surely I'm not the only one 
who regularly prints journals, prayer lists, or study pad notes!

Thanks, John

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On 08/09/2015 05:19 PM, Le Snelson wrote:
> Could not find how to page-down over chapter boundaries in 15 min of
> searching manual

Verse navigation and Bible features:
Ctrl-p/Ctrl-n: Verse previous/next. Also k/j.
p/n: Chapter previous/next.
P/N: Book previous/next.

http://xiphos.org/manual/interface#xiphos-shortcut

I would like to browse to a particular location using the available GUI
controls then use normal keyboard keys continue reading without using
pulldown menus to move over chapter boundaries.

Could not find how to page-down over chapter boundaries in 15 min of
searching manual nor archives so...